UrS4 Frequently Asked Questions

October 9, 2010

Replacing the pressure accumulator (“da bomb”)

Filed under: Brakes — Tags: , — admin @ 7:18 am

First and most important, do not confuse hydraulic oil and ATF. They are
not the same thing and ATF in the hydraulic system will ruin the seals.
This WILL lead to leaks in the steering and possibly cause the check
valves in the accummulator to stick. This leads to power brake loss unless
you have a particularly good pump working for you.

Some Audi models DO use ATF in specific systems. Check before you
assume this is safe for your hydraulic system!!!! The reservoir cap
normally specifies which fluid is correct. Also check the owner’s
manual.

The correct fluid is Pentosin hydraulic fluid. This is specified by
both BMW and Audi (proabably others). There are two types. Both are
mineral based although one is called “synthetic.” The primary difference is
the upper bound on temperature range. For the “7.1s” fluid this is 100
c. for the “11s” fluid it is 140 c. 1984 and older model years use the
7.1s fluid. 1985 and newer use the 11s fluid. This costs about $18 to
$22 per liter.

If you have used ATF or hydraulic jack oil in the past, you must get this
out of the system. You can drain the reservior by disconnecting the return
line from the pressure accummulator. Gravity does the job. I used only
one litre of fluid to flush and fill mine. Don’t forget this fluid also
circulates through the power steering. To move fluid here you need to
turn the wheels lock to lock with both front wheels off the ground.

The pressure accummulator (PA) has three hydraulic lines. Two are high
(> 2000 psi) pressure lines, the third (largest) is a return line to the
reservoir. The PA is pre-charged with nitrogen. To change it…

1. Depress the brake pedal repeatedly until you lose assist. Could be 35x
on a new PA. Remove fluid from the reservoir as it fills, if
necessary. IMPORTANT to release pressure, as this system operates
at 2000 PSI!! You can get hurt if you don’t do this!!!

2. The PA is (at least on mine) on the driver’s side. Find it by following
the return line at the bottom of the reservoir. Disconnect all three
lines from the PA. Fluid will come out of the return line so be ready
to catch it. Have a large diameter Philips screwdriver ready to
stick up inside the return line if you don’t want to drain it.
You may also have to put a clamp around the hose and tighten it
slightly – that Pentosin is slippery!!! NOTE: If the fluid is old, why
NOT drain it now???

3. The tip (facing front) of the PA has a threaded stud. Remove the nut.
Lift PA from the back at the return line connection and remove.

4. Some hoses use compression washers; more reccent ones use O-rings
which can be re-used. If washers, install the new one with new
(aluminum) washers if possible, two per banjo nut. These washers
deform to create the seal. If you don’t have new ones, at least
turn them over.

Getting leverage to tighten the banjo bolts can be difficult. A
large pair of (what I call) water-pump or slip-joint pliers can be
handy to hold the PA while getting them tight. You don’t have to
kill them.

5. Fill (and/or flush) see above the reservoir. The reservoir has a center
fine mesh screen that pulls out and can be cleaned. Since filtered
fluid is in the center (and drawn out through the bottom), if you
take the filter out, you might as well clean the canister and get the
dirt out of there. Mine had some very fine oily dust in it that wiped
up very easily.

6. Fill the reservior to minimum and start the car. The PA will now
accumulate fluid and the level will drop as the car idles; it will
take about a pint of additional fluid to top it off. Don’t fill
it to the top full mark, as some fluid returns to the reservoir when
the car is turned off.

7. With the front of the car off the ground, turn the steering lock to
lock five times (as per the manual) to fully bleed the circuit.

8. Check for leaks.

The hydraulic pump supplies two systems: it runs a circuit for the
power steering, and also runs the circuit for the brakes. There is a way
to test a PA by examining the pressure at which the power assist goes
away. Usually on a broken one, this is easy to do since with the engine
off there will be less than one stroke of the brake pedal before assist
is lost. On a weak PA (i.e. one that has lost some nitrogen), it could
be several strokes before loss of assist occurs. The normal minimum
number of strokes is 20. A new one could be 35. That’s what mine is now.
You can decide when it becomes important to replace by measuring the
number of strokes.

Al Powell

March 20, 2009

RS2 clone and modified RS2 clone brackets

Filed under: Brakes — Tags: , — admin @ 9:25 pm

The RS2 clone brackets are at:

https://www.apikol.com/#Products,Brakes,56

Methods to defeat the OE pad sensor AutoCheck feature when upgrading brakes

Filed under: Brakes — Tags: , — admin @ 9:23 pm

You can use Porsche pads with the built in wear sensors. However, if you don’t, the AutoCheck will tell you that your pads are broken FOREVER unless you defeat the AutoCheck.

When people upgrade their front brakes, they are typically left with a question regarding the brake pad check in the Auto Check system. The quick and dirty method is to cut a short piece of 14 gauge house wire, strip the ends, bend the wire into a “U”, plug it into the brake pad sensor harness plug as a jumper, and tape the whole thing up with electricians tape. Tie-wrap the plug away from the front drive shaft. Repeat for the other side. Naturally, you now have to check the pads manually.

Now if you have problems with the jumper wire solution, you might have to go deeper into the system, referencing the Bentley manuals, Volume 3. The S4 page is X60 and the 95.5 (96) S6 page is X1082. They both give the same info: The brake pad sensors are daisy chained, starting with a brown wire to ground, leading to the left side pads, then from the left side pads to the right side pads it’s a black wire. From the right side pads towards the instrument cluster, it’s a brown wire going into pin 6 of a brown T6 connector at Connector Stn II (in the right hand side kick panel, above Auxillary relay panel III). For the S4 it emerges from this brown T6 connector as a brown wire with a black stripe, going to pin 6 of a green T26 connector at the instrument cluster. For the S6 the wire from the brownT6 to the green T26 is brown with a green not black stripe.

Once at the green T26 at the instrument cluster, the current then follows by printed circuit board trace to the J189 Auto Check system computer.

On that basis, grounding the wire at the brown T6 at Connector Stn 2 should defeat the Autocheck (if the jumper wire at the sensors doesn’t work).

Remember to check your pad thickness at least every month.

Full data on the factory RS2 bolts, including grades, torque specs, and pic

Filed under: Brakes — Tags: , — admin @ 9:21 pm

Full data on the factory RS2 bolts, including grades, torque specs, and pic


bbk bolts Full data on the factory RS2 bolts, including grades, torque specs, and pic

Bolts are;
RS2 bracket to hub carrier:
P/N: N 100 880 03
Bolt, with hex socket head M12X1,5X25 (Grade 8.8)

993TT caliper to RS2 bracket:
P/N: N 100 650 02
Bolt, with hex socket head M12X1,5X70 (Grade 10.9)

Torque for both bolts is 85 newton meters or about 63 lb-ft (thanks to A-CQ for the torque specs)

WARNING: The factory spec for the G60 bracket to carrier bolts is way too high (those bolts are grade 12.9), and will damage the RS2 bolts.

Note that US dealers will just look at you funny if you give them these part numbers- they’re Euro only, but any of the usual Euro part suppliers should be able to source them without any problems.
You need 4 of each total (2 of each per side).

Part No.’s for the 993tt or 928GTS Brembo Big Brake Upgrade with RS2 brackets.

Filed under: Brakes — Tags: , — admin @ 9:19 pm

Credit to Trent Wakelin for these part numbers:

RS2 BRACKETS
8A0 615 125 A (034Motorsports or VAG Parts)

993tt Big Red Calipers:
993-351-425-10 (left), 993-351-426-10 (right)

Porsche 928 GTS front calipers
Porsche P/N -928-351-423-03 L, 928-351-424-03 R

Later A8 ROTORS (323×30, 5/112)
4D0 615 301 A or J (A was superceded by J)

Also:
Bolts, long (caliper to bracket, x4)
999.067.041.09

Bolt, short (Strut to bracket, x4)
N 100 880 03
Bolt size is: M12x1.25x25mm

Vibration dampers 44 mm (x4)
965 351 096 00

Vibration dampers 36 mm (x4)
964 351 096 01

Wear Sensors (x2)
993.612.368.00

Wear Sensor holders (x2)
928.612.361.00

Brake lines (x2)
443 611 707 C (rubber OEM, M-F, 405 mm long)
Or custom stainless steel

March 19, 2009

If you need to replace the rotors then the carrier needs to be removed with….

Filed under: Brakes — Tags: — admin @ 11:19 pm

an 8mm allen head socket. Use blue threadlocker when re-installing the carrier.

To hold the rotor in place while you are installing the pads and the caliper. Use two wheel bolts inserted through a 3/4″ long piece of old garden hose. Insert the bolt through the rotor and screw into the hub. The rubber hose will hold the rotor snub to the hub while you play with the pads and caliper. Note: Strongly suggest that you also use the black plastic wheel guide pin inserted into the top most bolt hole. This can stay on throughout the process until you mount the wheel and need to insert the last (5th) bolt.

Rear Caliper Part Numbers

Filed under: Brakes — Tags: — admin @ 11:16 pm

P/N for rear calipers 447 615 423 (424) or Fenco C8484 (8485)

Credit: 1stturbo

Rear brake caliper replacement procedure

Filed under: Brakes — Tags: — admin @ 11:13 pm

The rear brakes tend to get corroded by salt and with the emergency brake cable and activation cam, they sometimes sieze on the rotor. Replacement with rebuilt calipers is relatively easy.

In Jan.04, I had a siezed right rear caliper. I followed a procedure written by Fred Munro to try to “rehab” the emergency brake cam/lever and avoid the total replacement. Didn’t work for me. So a bought a “reman” right rear caliper “made” by Fenco for $115 (CDN) (C8484 = right, C8485 = left). It was excellent. In fact I can’t really believe it was a reman. It looked brand new from Girling. The only difference was some coloured epoxy over the VW-Audi info. I installed it with little or no instructions sitting in my cold garage. I liked the caliper so well, I went and bought the left rear, including a $110 (CDN) core charge. Unfortunately, I never had to install it (left caliper was working fine). But today, I decided I should install it so the caliper ages aren’t too far apart and so I can get my core charge back. Of course, I forgot all those tricks I “learned” the first time. So I thought I would share what I relearned today.

1. Put car in gear, release the emergency brake, block front wheels.

2. Remove wheel bolt cover, and loosen all five rear wheel bolts (17 mm socket counter clockwise (duh)).

3. Jack up the rear wheel. I used my little hydraulic trolley jack under the rear A-arm.

4. Remove wheel bolts and wheel. Place them away from the immediate work area.

5. Block car as required for protection in the event the jack ceases to function.

6. Note how the brake line and emergency brake cable are oriented. (I forgot to even think about this first thing – as you will see – it “bit” me later)

7. Try to loosen the brake line at the caliper (14 mm open-ended wrench). If you can loosen it, snug it up gentley again. If you can’t, spray some WD40 or liquid wrench on it. Wait a bit, tap it lightly and try again. Repeat until you can loosen the hose and then snug gently.

8. Loosen the carrier bolts. The head of the bolt is 13 mm but you also need to hold the carrier pin with a thin 15 open-ended wrench. Remember you are working backwards and figure out which way is “loosen” before you go at it.

9. Remove the carrier bolts and swing the caliper away from the rotor. Rest on the A-arm.

10. Remove the pads from the carrier. Note which one is the inner and which one is the outer. Place in a safe clean dry nearby location. If there isn’t much pad left, replace with new pads (and rotors if they are bad). Mine were fine. The rear brakes really don’t do very much work. But they do some and that’s important.

11. Twist the caliper around gently and remove the emergency brake “ball” end from the emergency brake cam lever. To do this, place a broad-bladed flat head screw driver in the return spring hole and twist to release the pressure on the ball end of the cable. Push the ball end toward the caliper body until it clears the slot in the cam lever. (This can be a bit tricky, I ended up removing the return spring entirely so the “twist” was easier).

12. Remove the clip that hold the emergency brake cable into the caliper. Note how it is oriented (with the loop end away from the caliper and the open ends towards the caliper).

13. Remove the the emergency brake cable from the caliper. It may not want to pull out easily because of corrosion. I used a little WD40 and some light tapping before it would come loose. But it did.

14. Inspect the cable end and rubber boot. On the one I did in Jan. 2004, the boot was on wrong. The fat end should be away from the ball and the narrow end should be up against the ball. Apply never-seize to the exposted part the of the cable. Fill the boot with some as well.

15. Bring the new (remanned) caliper close by. With some rags handy to wipe up any spills, loosen the 14 mm caliper brake hose fitting just enough so it is loose. Spin the caliper off the hose (yep, you heard me, spin the caliper). The hose can’t take the wind-up that would be needed to ge the hose out of the caliper. Easier to wind the caliper off the hose.

16. Put the old caliper down with the hose connection end up (so it won’t drain on your nice garage floor) and grab the new caliper.

17. In a reverse of the removal, spin the new caliper onto the hose (making sure that you aren’t cross threaded). Keep spinning until you are pretty tight. Snug the fitting with the 14 mm wrench.

18. Now, this is the step that I “Doh’d” out on the first time: Trial the caliper up against the guide pins. IF the brake hose is too twisted, rotate the caliper until the the hose is not as twisted (I forgot to do this and had the emergency brake cable back on and was snugging the the carrier bolts before I noticed the extra twist in the brake hose. D’oh!! (Merde). There was only one cure – remove the carrier bolts, and the emergency brake cable and untwist the hose by rotating the caliper). Once you are happy with the caliper and hose orientation, rest the caliper on the A-arm – don’t let it hang on the brake hose.

19. Remove the guide pins from the carrier. Before you do, wipe the crud of the rubber bellows, especially at the end closest to you. Pry (gently) the rubber bellows off the carrier (closest to you) and pull the pin towards the car (away from you).

20. Clean the pins and apply neverseize (or your favourite appropriate grease) and re-install. Make sure that therubber bellows end closest to you “clips” over the ridge on the carrier. (NOTE: IF the bellows have a rip, you should replace them before carry on with the remaining steps).

21. Push the emergency cable through the hole in the caliper. Re-install the clip (looped end to the car, open ends to you).

22. Reinstall the ball-end of the emergency brake cable in the new caliper’s lever arm. Twist the arm with a big screwdriver in the spring slot and pull the ball end until it slips into the cable groove in the lever arm. (If this proves difficult, remove the return spring, get the cable in place and then re-install the return spring).

23. Return the brake pads to their former inner / outer position (or install new pads if required). Note: the pads should have “rabbit ears” springs – if they don’t they are the wrong pad.

24. . Install the caliper into the carrier. Use blue Loctite ™ to ensure that the bolts don’t loosen. Start the top bolt by hand and then the bottom bolt (there will be a bit of stress here because you have to twist the caliper forward to compress the pad springs). When you have both bolts started, use the 13 mm wrench/socket on the caliper bolts while holding the carrier pins with a thin 15 mm open-ended wrench.
I didn’t have a torque setting so I just got them as tight as I could with my long handled wrenches. (Please check the torque settings).

25. Remove the rubber bleeder screw cap and loosen the new bleeder screw with an 11 mm flare wrench. Put a hose over the bleeder screw and run into a glass container. Bleed as normal ( Pressure bleeders are best. I used a one man bleeder and many many slow short brake pedal strokes to fill the caliper and then remove any bubbles). NOTE: Monitor the master cylinder and don’t let it go dry. I used Pentosin Super DOT 4 brake fluid to refill.

26. Tighten the bleeder screw and install the rubber cap. Wipe up any fluid dribbles.

27. Move tools away and reinstall the wheel. Snug wheel bolts.

28. Remove blocks etc. under car and lower the car on the jack until the jack can be pulled clear.

29. Tighten wheel bolts in a star pattern in the normal fashion.

30. Clean up your work area and store tools appropriately.

31. Pump the emergency brake a few times to move the piston out on the new caliper.

32. Check the level in the master cylinder. Top up with Pentosin Super DOT 4 (or equivalent).

33. Test drive. Gentle stops at first.

34. Return home. Park. Get beer. Sip. Guzzle. Belch.

35. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

HTH

YMMV

Dave

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